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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, December 28 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1596<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: Vargr and Smelly Food...<BR>
Re: Traveller Artists<BR>
re:  Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Re: Traveller Artists<BR>
Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
free trader<BR>
Re: T<N> Chow<BR>
Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
Re: Purina etc.<BR>
Re: The Pakari...<BR>
Re: disgusting habits<BR>
Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Re: T<N> Chow<BR>
Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
Re: disgusting habits<BR>
Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
Re: disgusting habits<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:29:01 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Vargr and Smelly Food...<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Mark Cook wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com> writes:<BR>
> <BR>
> > And Vargr probably love smelly things.  I wonder what Vargr think of<BR>
> > limburger cheese.<BR>
> <BR>
> Varger don't eat Limburger Cheese, they *ROLL* in it! :^)<BR>
> <BR>
You're right.  My dog would have.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
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Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:30:33 -0800<BR>
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella" <xrp@sierratel.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller Artists<BR>
<BR>
Via electronic medium on 12/22/99 1:23 PM, GDWGAMES@aol.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> I thought I had made that clear . . . do you know how tough it is (well,<BR>
> was...) to get artists to draw anything other than boring caucasians?<BR>
> (actually, it was kind of tough to get them to draw anything but babes in<BR>
> thong bikinis -- artists didn't get out much back in those days       :   )<BR>
> )<BR>
<BR>
Can we compromise with ethnically diverse babes in thong bikinis? Or, for a<BR>
more Traveller feel, skin-tight leotard type uniforms? Like Seven of Nine?<BR>
Oh well.<BR>
<BR>
;)<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:34:26 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: re:  Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
>From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
<BR>
>ObTrav:  wondering if humans are ever tempted to eat<BR>
>Vargr or Aslan food,and if so, is it any good?  <BR>
<BR>
The DGP alien modules discuss this subject a little,<BR>
but I don't know how much of the following comes from<BR>
them and how much from my own thinking about it.  <BR>
<BR>
Vargr cuisine is as varied as Vargr culture, which is<BR>
if anything more varied than human culture.  So the<BR>
following are extremely gross generalizations.<BR>
<BR>
Vargr cuisine from all cultures is heavy on the meat<BR>
dishes, but Vargr do typically eat all sorts of other<BR>
things, depending on where they live and what's<BR>
available.  For example, Vargr eat grains for<BR>
carbohydrates.  Many Vargr like insects, arthropods,<BR>
and slugs.  Fruit, especially odiferous fruit, is very<BR>
popular.  Some like crunchy things, some like slimy<BR>
things, some like spicy things, some like bland<BR>
things. Some like alcohol, some abstain.  <BR>
<BR>
Many human dishes are acceptable without modification<BR>
in Vargr cuisine (lamb shanks and Astroburgers come<BR>
immediately to mind), and many Vargr dishes can be<BR>
served unaltered at a human table (e.g. roasted groat<BR>
leg and stuffed sea bear).  Some Vargr love human<BR>
dishes that some humans won't touch (sashimi, e.g.),<BR>
and vice versa (crunchy sweet insectoids with spicy<BR>
sauce).<BR>
<BR>
Caveats for human and Vargr diners:  Because Vargr<BR>
have more robust digestive systems than humans, their<BR>
food preparation may not as clean as human standards,<BR>
which can lead to humans experiencing problems ranging<BR>
from mild stomach discomfort to severe or even fatal<BR>
food poisoning to parasites.  On the other hand,<BR>
chocolate and certain food preservatives commonly used<BR>
by humans are quite toxic to Vargr.  <BR>
<BR>
>And Vargr probably love smelly things.  I wonder what<BR>
<BR>
>Vargr think of limburger cheese.<BR>
<BR>
I'm sure it's a delicacy, just like pickled herring<BR>
for breakfast.  <BR>
<BR>
>Another disgusting thought... you know, if you have <BR>
>ever had both cats and dogs at the same time, that <BR>
>some dogs will eat cat sh*t...  <BR>
<BR>
That's another can of worms, so to speak.  Some Vargr<BR>
chew on a prey's or an enemy's scat to understand more<BR>
deeply what it's been eating, and, therefore, how it<BR>
has been living.  As my good friend and frequent NPC<BR>
Ve Naghfuaz once said, "it's a spiritual thing for us.<BR>
 We don't expect you to understand it, and we<BR>
appreciate that you respect it."  <BR>
<BR>
>Dogs will eat much grosser things than cats.  (That <BR>
>is something that I hope no one on this list has ever<BR>
<BR>
>been tempted to do, yuck!  And this is why you should<BR>
<BR>
>never eat after a dog.  You don't know what the dog <BR>
>ate last and you can be sure it did not brush its <BR>
>teeth.)<BR>
<BR>
This reminds me of another little-known aspect of<BR>
Vargr life, which is the feeding of pups.  Like their<BR>
Terran ancestors, Vargr breast feed for the first part<BR>
of their pups' lives, but the rapid growth of the pups<BR>
outstrips the ability of mother's milk to nourish. <BR>
For the next stage of the pups' lives, Vargr parents<BR>
eat large amounts of food and then vomit it up for the<BR>
pups.  The pups lick their parents' faces to trigger<BR>
this reaction (and Vargr vomit very easily).  The<BR>
pre-digested food is easy for them to eat, and<BR>
pre-digestion kills many parasites and other problems.<BR>
<BR>
Vargr baby food should accordingly never be given to<BR>
human babies.  <BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:36:27 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller Artists<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Via electronic medium on 12/22/99 1:23 PM, GDWGAMES@aol.com wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > I thought I had made that clear . . . do you know how tough it is (well,<BR>
> > was...) to get artists to draw anything other than boring caucasians?<BR>
> > (actually, it was kind of tough to get them to draw anything but babes in<BR>
> > thong bikinis -- artists didn't get out much back in those days       :   )<BR>
> > )<BR>
> <BR>
> Can we compromise with ethnically diverse babes in thong bikinis? Or, for a<BR>
> more Traveller feel, skin-tight leotard type uniforms? Like Seven of Nine?<BR>
> Oh well.<BR>
> <BR>
Can we have some ethnically diverse GUYS in sexy outfits please?  (I'd<BR>
settle for seeing just ONE illo in an SF game book that looks like someone<BR>
I'd really go out with.  I'll go for the sexy skintight leotard, or the<BR>
"corsair" look, or even a futuristic suit, but I just got GURPS Traveller<BR>
yesterday and the sexiest guys in the book are the Aslan, lol!  I haven't <BR>
read the whole thing yet but at first scan, most of the males depicted<BR>
are pretty ordinary-looking guys and almost all white.)<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
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Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:39:44 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Michael Houghton <herveus@Radix.Net><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
Howdy!<BR>
<BR>
> On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:41:16 -0500 (EST), Glenn Goffin<BR>
> <gmgoffin@yahoo.com> wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >>From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
> <BR>
> >>Chequey of three, gules and argent, a slug passant <BR>
> >>sable.<BR>
<BR>
Actually, that would be "checky of nine" (and the "of nine" was omitted<BR>
in the final form).<BR>
> <BR>
> >Doesn't it run into the color on color problem or is<BR>
> >sable not a color?  <BR>
> <BR>
No. Heraldic contrast can be reduced to a black and white<BR>
matter. The field is "grey", which has adequate contrast<BR>
with most anything (in this case, anything but red and white).<BR>
<BR>
> Sable is indeed a color, but as presented (I think the blazon<BR>
> should have been "... _overall_ a slug..."), the slug was not<BR>
> entirely on the central red square, and so squeaked by that way.<BR>
> Also, it should be noted that the reason for the color-on-color<BR>
> prohibition was to ensure good contrast; red and black are<BR>
> generally held to have acceptable contrast on simple<BR>
> presentations.<BR>
> <BR>
Not so. Red and black do not have adequate contrast by rule.<BR>
<BR>
> >>The immediate reaction of every herald at that <BR>
> >> commenting meeting was "Purina Slug Chow".<BR>
> <BR>
yours,<BR>
Herveus, Morse Herald (once Triton and Golden Dolphin, both<BR>
"big shot" heraldic positions in my kingdom).<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: has anyone compiled an armorial of 3I unit badges?<BR>
- -- <BR>
Michael and MJ Houghton   | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly<BR>
herveus@radix.net         | White Wolf and the Phoenix<BR>
Bowie, MD, USA            | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff<BR>
                          | http://www.radix.net/~herveus/<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:43:33 -0700<BR>
From: Erwin Fritz <efritz@GLJA.com><BR>
Subject: free trader<BR>
<BR>
I've come across a number of blueprints for the standard free trader.<BR>
Mostly I just filed them away for future reference.<BR>
<BR>
Well, the future is here. My players are about to encounter a modified<BR>
version of the standard free trader (they're just starting the<BR>
Foodrunner adventure detailed in JTAS). So I sat down and created specs<BR>
for the modified free trader using my MT rules.<BR>
<BR>
Then I tried modifying the standard blueprint to show the modifications.<BR>
Well, I discovered that the standard blueprint is about twice the size<BR>
it should be. I'm assuming that two deckplan squares is one displacement<BR>
ton, so the free trader should have about 400 squares. The blueprint I'm<BR>
using for a template has at least twice that many.<BR>
<BR>
Does anyone know where I can find a blueprint for the free trader that<BR>
fits the canon description and size? I'll create one myself if I have<BR>
to, but I thought I'd check here first.<BR>
- -- <BR>
Erwin Fritz<BR>
Gilbert Laustsen Jung Associates Ltd.<BR>
http://www.glja.com<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:49:36<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: T<N> Chow<BR>
<BR>
At 03:15 PM 12/28/1999 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 GDWGAMES@aol.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>> I won't even bring up baby food. <BR>
><BR>
>No, the K'Kree do enough of that.<BR>
<BR>
No splort, but a major groan from the victim of the Peruvian Death Flu.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:50:38 -0500<BR>
From: "Michael Peters" <travelleri@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 5:45 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> On 12/28/99 at 10:13 AM,  Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
said:<BR>
><BR>
> ><Snip of excellent post, sucked directly into my saved_tml folder!><BR>
><BR>
> ><Officer Barbrady/><BR>
> >Move along, here Eris. Nothing to see. Go Home!<BR>
> ></OB><BR>
><BR>
> Too late.  ;-p You know we've been getting some nice things recently<BR>
> (relatively):  77 Quirks, 100 Passengers, GT Ship Damage, and a<BR>
> couple of adventure nuggets.  Keep it up, and my players will curse<BR>
> you. <g><BR>
><BR>
> >Actually Eris has inflicted^h^h^h^h treated us to several of these<BR>
> >already. This will only give him ideas. <sigh> maybe if we rip out all<BR>
> >the passenger cabins and replace them with cargo hold...;-)<BR>
><BR>
> Then I'll just use "101 Cargos" to plague you. <g><BR>
><BR>
<BR>
Hey! Wait! I ain't done nothin'! (mostly 'cause the oppertunity hasn't come<BR>
along yet, but...)<BR>
<BR>
Mike (yet another fearless (NOT!) player in Eris' campaign)<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:10:24 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
>From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
<BR>
>The experimenters would be doing it in vitro, not in <BR>
>vivo. Given the strength of a chimp, you'd be taking <BR>
>your life in your hands to try having sex with one.<BR>
<BR>
And forget getting him or her drunk and taking<BR>
advantage.  PETA would have you on the dissecting<BR>
table.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:09:27 -0500<BR>
From: "Thom Harris" <thomharr@mediaone.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina etc.<BR>
<BR>
This all reminds me of the "Addams Family" movie where Wednesday asks<BR>
the"snooty" Girl Scout if her cookies are made with real Girl Scouts?!?!?!<BR>
<BR>
Thom<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 4:44 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Purina etc.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> >MREs, despite rumors to the contrary, actually do have differentiated<BR>
> >ingredients.  Kinda.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> <sigh> When will you learn - Ratpacks are just superior.... <grin><BR>
><BR>
> Nick<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:42:13 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: The Pakari...<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Greetings, All,<BR>
><BR>
> I've been thinking (a dangerous pastime, I know,) about developing a <BR>
> sector for a new campaign I someday hope to run. One of my initial <BR>
> considerations has been toward the races that populate the sector in <BR>
> question, and designing a new and interesting race with which to <BR>
> challenge the players. Enter the Pakari, a minor race that has <BR>
> relatively recently obtained jump technology from a neighboring major <BR>
> race, and has since started on a wave of conquest and absorption.<BR>
<BR>
> Firearms are replaced by small creatures with gas chambers that <BR>
> project bone shards at extreme velocities,<BR>
<BR>
Check out bombardier beetles. and consider the fact that there's<BR>
nothing to prevent use of small stones as reloads. It's *much* faster<BR>
than growing bone shards.<BR>
<BR>
> or with nervous tissue <BR>
> along a bony barrel which produces intense magnetic fields, <BR>
> projecting a metallic bone fragment at high velocity, using gauss <BR>
> rifle concepts.<BR>
<BR>
I doubt that biological tissue can generate (or survive) that sort of<BR>
fields required.<BR>
<BR>
And BTW, you'll never get "high speed" computing biologically. The<BR>
impulses between nerves travel too slowly.<BR>
<BR>
> Space exploration began through the <BR>
> controlled explosive release of digestive by-products, and the <BR>
> Pakari have since developed lifeforms to protect them from the <BR>
> reaches of deep space, i.e. living spaceships, etc. And so on.<BR>
<BR>
Do keep in ind that even if their *primary* tech is bio, there's no<BR>
reason they can't have "crude" electrical and mechanical technologies.<BR>
<BR>
> For concepts regarding their ships, consider the ST:TNG episode "Tin <BR>
> Man," or the Pentapod vessels of 2300AD. For a grasp of some of their <BR>
> other technology, Harry H Harrison's "West of Eden" series contains <BR>
> a lot of examples, with living sailing vessels, guns that must be fed <BR>
> to stay alive and keep firing, and so on. For the conquest of other <BR>
> races, consider mixing aspects of the Bugs from "Starship Troopers" <BR>
> with Heinlein's "The Puppetmasters" and of course the Borg from the <BR>
> ST universe.<BR>
<BR>
Keep in mind Niven's "Stage Trees". Also, Elf Sternberg has a sequence<BR>
("Planetfall: xxxxx") in the Journal Entries that deals with a similar<BR>
topc. Unless the erotic content bothers you, the sequence *is* worth<BR>
reading.<BR>
<BR>
> What are the major problems with the use of bio-engineered tech, and<BR>
> how would you recommend overcoming them?<BR>
<BR>
Component size (cells), and the limited envirnomental range they can<BR>
handle. <BR>
<BR>
The only *real* way to overcome them is to branch out into "conventional"<BR>
technology. <BR>
<BR>
> To what level of energy production (fission, fusion, etc.) do you <BR>
> think a biological equivalent could be created? What TL would that <BR>
> approximate for vehicle design purposes?<BR>
<BR>
Fusion is almost certainly ruled out. Fission is going to be really<BR>
hard to deal with.<BR>
<BR>
> Could the effects of anti-grav be duplicated biologically, in your <BR>
> opinion? (Determines whether the Pakari will need a servitor race to <BR>
> build a/g modules to integrate into their living vessels.)<BR>
<BR>
I suspect that this (like computing) is a case where they'll have to go<BR>
with a non-bio solution.<BR>
<BR>
Don't concentrate so much on trying to duplicate "our" technology<BR>
biologically. Concentrate on the stuff that they can do "easily" that<BR>
we have to work at. Like life support systems, and terraforming.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:07:26 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: disgusting habits<BR>
<BR>
The worst kid food fetish that I have every had to interrupt was <BR>
a child who found his deodorant stick tasty. Right in class, he was<BR>
taking bites out of that nasty thing<BR>
<BR>
Not sure if it was the act of eating it or the fact that it might<BR>
have actually touched his arm pits that disturbed me more.<BR>
<BR>
GLue sticks are another big no no. I teach 7th graders, but on<BR>
occassion, someone will be slurping their glue stick like a lollipop.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
TV<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:22:40 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
Oh yeah, I think I had that once at some party we had at HP.  Great stuff!<BR>
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- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 5:03 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> I still remember a dessert I was once served long long ago.  It was some<BR>
> kind of chocolate cake mixed with pudding and it looked like dirt but it<BR>
> tasted wonderful.  My friend put gummy worms in it.<BR>
> <BR>
> Kiri  =)<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:14:37 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: T<N> Chow<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Douglas E. Berry wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> At 03:15 PM 12/28/1999 -0800, Kiri wrote:<BR>
> >On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 GDWGAMES@aol.com wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >> I won't even bring up baby food. <BR>
> ><BR>
> >No, the K'Kree do enough of that.<BR>
> <BR>
> No splort, but a major groan from the victim of the Peruvian Death Flu.<BR>
> <BR>
Damn, I was really hoping to get at least one keyboard today.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
<BR>
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Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:21:25 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:51:35 -0500 (EST), Kiri Aradia Morgan<BR>
<tiamat@tsoft.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>LOL!  The best cat food is actually a kitten food that you can only buy at<BR>
>pet stores and it comes in a purple bag.  I deliberately forgot its name<BR>
>so that I'd never be tempted again.<BR>
<BR>
I don't remember the name either (we fed it to my sister's cat<BR>
when said cat was at the kitten stage), but I'm pretty sure that<BR>
it's the kitten chow from the same people that make IAMS and<BR>
EUKANUBA.<BR>
<BR>
>You get a gold star for that one.  If I had had a Jolt handy, you'd owe UC<BR>
>a keyboard.<BR>
<BR>
I count those as legitimate kills, mostly because I have enough<BR>
control that when something hits me like that, I _can_ swallow<BR>
first.  Necessary self-defense measure; when I was a lot younger<BR>
than I am now, my father took great pleasure in making me emit<BR>
milk from my nostrils.<BR>
<BR>
>I don't even want to think about eating with K'Kree.  <BR>
<BR>
Well, other than the question of table manners, I don't<BR>
necessarily see a problem; the menu would of course be vegetarian<BR>
- - vegan, perhaps - but that doesn't rule out the possibility of<BR>
pleasant and interesting combinations of flavors.<BR>
<BR>
>Another disgusting thought... you know, if you have ever had both cats<BR>
>and dogs at the same time, that some dogs will eat cat sh*t...  I wonder<BR>
>if Vargr will eat that.  Do they consider it a delicacy?  Can you imagine <BR>
>being a Free Trader and taking a "load" of this substance to a Vargr<BR>
>world?   Can you imagine being at a diplomatic event and finding out WHAT<BR>
>that stuff on the party tray actually is?<BR>
<BR>
All I'll say on this is "Hiver 'corn dogs'".<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:13:27 -0500<BR>
From: "Thom Harris" <thomharr@mediaone.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
Sorry Leonard, I seem to have missed your post with the comedy in it....<BR>
<BR>
Thom<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Black ICE" <wombat@premier.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 10:39 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > In mail you write:<BR>
><BR>
> <<snip>><BR>
> ><BR>
> > > To achieve this goal I shall run all of my<BR>
> > > TML messages through my handy "Leonardizer", which is guaranteed to<BR>
strip<BR>
> > > out any references to topics that are not deadly serious.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > I think you've misnamed it. Sounds more like a Cliff-izer to me. After<BR>
> > all, I've made humorous posts too!<BR>
><BR>
> Nah, a C**f-izer would randomly insert personal attacks and inflammatory<BR>
> posts.<BR>
><BR>
> --<BR>
> AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
> "Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
> Keeper of the TML Keyboard Casualty List<BR>
><BR>
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:25:54 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: disgusting habits<BR>
<BR>
When I was in first grade I knew this kid who ate the glue in those little<BR>
Elmer's glue bottles.  We all thought he was gross.  :)  As for the other<BR>
glue, that Paste stuff, you must admit it does have an enticing odor.  But<BR>
then again, FLUX smells like a White Russian but I wouldn't advise drinking<BR>
it!  :)<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
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- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 4:54 PM<BR>
Subject: disgusting habits<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
(I know a LOT of<BR>
> people who loved that white paste we used in Kindergarten),<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:11:42 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
>Another disgusting thought... you know, if you have ever had both cats<BR>
>and dogs at the same time, that some dogs will eat cat sh*t...  I wonder<BR>
>if Vargr will eat that.  Do they consider it a delicacy<BR>
<BR>
Chances are, no unless they have a bad diet. After keeping dogs and cats,<BR>
and watching the dogs acting like the litter box was a buffet, I asked the<BR>
vet.<BR>
<BR>
The answer I got was simple, dogs who eat  poop, weather it is dog or cat do<BR>
so because they have dietary deficiencies and the poop has too much<BR>
undigested/left over protein in it. So, if the food is right and the animals<BR>
are fed correctly poop ain't so tasty :0<BR>
<BR>
A helpful hint, put  Meat Tenderizer on the food, apparently this makes it<BR>
VERY uninviting after a trip through and animal and dogs won't eat  the left<BR>
overs.<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:27:48 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:27:43 -0500 (EST), shadow@krypton.rain.com<BR>
(Leonard Erickson) wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>>>From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
<BR>
>>>Chequey of three, gules and argent, a slug passant <BR>
>>>sable.<BR>
<BR>
>> Doesn't it run into the color on color problem or is<BR>
>> sable not a color?  <BR>
<BR>
>Sable is a *fur*. <BR>
<BR>
Let's don't go there - _heraldic_ sable most definitely is _not_<BR>
a fur.  Although there was a period where, in _French_ heraldry,<BR>
_Vert_ _was_...<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:24:30 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: disgusting habits<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Thomas Vickers wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> The worst kid food fetish that I have every had to interrupt was <BR>
> a child who found his deodorant stick tasty. Right in class, he was<BR>
> taking bites out of that nasty thing<BR>
> <BR>
Isn't it poisonous?<BR>
<BR>
> Not sure if it was the act of eating it or the fact that it might<BR>
> have actually touched his arm pits that disturbed me more.<BR>
> <BR>
Well, at least it was his.<BR>
<BR>
> GLue sticks are another big no no. I teach 7th graders, but on<BR>
> occassion, someone will be slurping their glue stick like a lollipop.<BR>
> <BR>
Yuck, those are definitely bad.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
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<BR>
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If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
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